I have finally bought one of these cards as I now have a TB 3 hard drive that I use on my Apple MacBook laptop.

The instruction only state how to connect the internal cable shouted one of these cawrdswing both ends.

However it also has two graphics card cables that are shown as plugged in to the TB3 card but not what to do with the other ends.

It looks like they should be plugged into two of the graphics cards outputs but that then limits me to only two monitors 

Not sure if these supplied short graphics cables are extension cables or for plugged into the graphics cards.

Would appreciate any comments on the above from anyone who has used one of these cards

Hp Z8 G4 dual Zeon - Nvidia Quadro P600 - 96GB Ram - M2 Personality NVME boot drive

Hi I know it's been a while since anyone has spoken about this but I would really appreciate it if anyone could help.

I'm trying to install a hp Z420 600w PSU in a hp Z230 workstation I understand that this has been done and works but I'm having some issues.

When I try to power the computer on initially the power button lights up blue but then a few seconds later it flashes red at, nothing else appears to power up during this time.

I have removed the PSU ID and +12v_D pins as I believe the Z230 does not use these but this made no difference.

I have no issues with modifying the power supply but I'm confused why this works for others but not mine.

thunderbolt cards can have one or two video out, the hp TBolt 2 card has only one video out and the HP TBolt 3 card has two video out

the other connector and short cable are used for video passthrough,

IE- from your primary video card out connect the short cable to the TBolt cards video in and connect your monitor cable to the

TBolt video out

http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c06162348

hi there, 

i am having an issue recognising an SSD which is installed on a PCIe card. i bought this card online hoping to load my OS onto an SSD and boot from PCIe rather than slower SATA2. i know the nvme boot would not work hence old fashion SSD way. please see the pics below:

https://ibb.co/hsXhpv3
https://ibb.co/TtkmgBB

the computer does not recognise the SSD (neither the old HDD is the pic above). currently as shown in the pics i just chucked an old 2.5" HDD in there and since the card had a SATA port i am using it via SATA connection which is not the way card is intended to be used surely.

is there anything that need to be set in BIOS so computer detect the PCIe hard drive? 

many thanks 

hi all

i buy me a Samsung 970 EVO Plus NVME M.2 2TB for my HP workstation z240. But i cannot see the SSD.

the bios ist lasted version BIOS Family = N51, version = 01.78.

does anyone have an idea why this SSD is not recognized

thank you for your help.

WIN10 HP DESKTOP Z238 shutdown cause reboot.

Kindly suggest..

Hi
First:- Turn off the computer, press and hold the PWR button for 4 seconds.

Then - Leave only keyboard and mouse connected, disconnect all externally connected
devices such as Docking Station, USB storage devices, displays, and printers.
Unplug the AC adapter from the computer.

Next - Press and Hold the Power button for 15 seconds to Hard Reset.
Rinse and Repeat; Re-Connect the AC adapter.

NOW begin checking/testing/proving the Hardware is fit for purpose.
Power on your PC, press ESC (repeatedly), then F2 at the prompt.
Choose System Tests (Fast Test does a 4 minute hardware check).

I have a Z440 workstation. Is there any special things I should do or know before upgrading this desktop to Windows 10 pro or just follow the HP guideline for a Z440 to up to Windows 10? Is there anything that is not in the guideline that I should know before upgrading, like should I order a Windows 7 recovery disc before I upgrade for a back up just in case things don't go right?

All the Z440 and Z640 workstations we've upgraded from W7Pro64 to W10Pro64 have taken that without issue.  HP and MS work closely together so the W10 drivers MS has to upload into your workstation during the upgrade are pretty well vetted.  You can layer the W10 atop your current W7 build, and save everything, or save nothing.

You also should read DGroves recent post related to Z840 upgrade about the HP site that lets you download a HP W10 installer onto a thumb drive..... you need to provide your proper code for that box, and it has to be a box that is BIOS encoded as a MS licensed workstation rather than for Linux.

Here is good advice:

Get a 600 GB Intel 320 series SSD from eBay, new or used at a price you can be happy with, and start over.  You don't have a SSD there..... that is a slow poke 5400 RPM spinning hard drive.  There is a recent post here in the forum about a PCIe card that can accept SATA III input to give you true SATA III speeds, but few can tell the difference in the real world between SATA II or III.

You not knowing that you have a slow 1TB hard drive in your pictures indicates you probably would be amongst those of us who are very happy with SATA II quality SSDs.  I've posted on how to get the ZX00 family to run a specific M.2 SSD from Kingston... it really is not worth the effort or cost.  Those 320 series SSDs are the way to go for that family, and bigger the better.  You'll be amazed at what a good buy on those you can find on eBay.

thanks for the reply. this workstation (two X5660/48GB/8TB) is a work freebie which i am turning into my home file server. all HDD caddies are full, thus as well as an obvious PCIe performance gains, space is another reason i like to use a PCI adapter mounted SSD (pictured shown just a test 2.5" HDD so i make sure the newly bought adapter is not faulty, otherwise an SSD would go there ideally)

let me see if i am getting this right. so you're suggesting i get a SATA3 PCIe adapter and connect a fast SSD via normal SATA cable to the card? would that give me >500MB/s speed considering the motherboard is PCI2 only? i setup an SSD connected to motherboard SATA2 slots for a friend and best we got was 250MB/s

also wouldn't it look tidier and less crowded if SSD is mounted and detected via just a PCIe card?

my problem is why (SSD or that slow 5400rpm) hard drives are not detected at all? what do you do so BIOS or OS recognises storage on PCI slot?

taking your advice and buying an Intel 320 series SSD.  thanks for helping me on this 

The "stunt" drive threw me.....  here is what I believe will be the case.  If you put a SATA II or a SATA III HDD or SSD into that interface PCIe card the speed still would be SATA II unless there is a "bridge" interface built into the PCIe card to allow the SATA III device to communicate at full SATA III speeds with the processors via the PCIe bus.  This type of bridging takes special chipsets and drivers, and BIOS compatibility, that is complex to accomplish.

You received an excellent workstation for an excellent price.  I'd focus on keeping it fast and simple.  Personally I would just use the Intel SSD I recommended as your boot drive, 600GB.  If you want a SATA SSD that was SATA III technology I would follow DGrove's advice and get exactly that card, place it in a PCIe generation 2 slot, and attach only one SATA III SSD to it as your boot drive.

SATA II speeds from a SATA II SSD for file serving is excellent.  Same from a SATA II HDD is less excellent as you can imagine.  I'd build up your box with that 320 boot drive and see how fast it is with that running from the normal drawer via SATA II.  I bet that will be more than fast enough.

The card that DGroves discussed is one he has experience with, personally.  You can add in the HP USB3 "2x2" card if you want USB3 speeds..... that works great under W10 also.  Finally, using Passmark scores you can see if your processors can be upgraded for best possible speeds.   There is a point where you go over the 95W TDP/processor value and then have to pay an arm and a leg for the rare "Performance" heatsink/fans that HP custom engineered to cool and still fit in the case.

i guess i would have to go with your advice on SSD set up then. i already ordered an Intel 320 series and will connect it to a SATA2 port on the motherboard and make it bootable. i am keeping that PCI card in the photo inside the computer as a holder only (https://ibb.co/9GD4xzW), it is still delivering power to SSD though so one less cable hooked to SSD. isn't it strange that it delivers power via PCI interface but no data transfer?!

i also bought one of these to fit two more 1TB hard drives i have sitting around unused, it is just a shelf sitting above PCI slots, hold three hard drives and i reckon great for people like me who have filled up all hard drives caddies but space above PCI slots are empty.

really appreciate your help and also this forum. Z800 is so understated and they are so well built. surely it will serve me well as a media player/file server. RedHat goes on it. 

cheers 

if you search on ebay you can find 5.25 bays that hold six SAS/SATA  2.5 sized drives these adapters use normal sata cabling

https://www.ebay.com/itm/OImaster-5-25-to-3-5-2-5-HDD-SSD-Hard-Drive-Tray-Bay-Adapter-Mounting-Bracket/153647062740?hash=item23c6141ed4:g:-vIAAOSwhJtd9vrt

https://www.ebay.com/itm/ICY-DOCK-6-x-2-5-SATA-SAS-HDD-SSD-Hot-Swap-Mobile-Rack-Cage-in-1-x-5-25/352930366261?hash=item522c4a0335:g:EmUAAOSwoCFeGyjl

 looking at your picture of the HD/adapter you bought it appears to possibly be a dual nvme/sata one in that it can use a nvme drive on the pci-e bus (non booting on a z800) or a sata drive via the cards onboard sata connector that is then connected to a motherboard sata slot

keep in mind that the z800 has two normal sata ports and then 4 "SCU" sata ports next to the 2 sata ports

the LSI ports are along the edge of the motherboard at the bottom and are controlled/setup for booting when the LSI bios is enabled within the z800 bios if the LSI bios  is disabled you can not boot from the onboard controller

i'm currently testing a USB 2.0 sata card that provides two front bay USB 3.1 ports at 10GBps

(not 5GBps like normal 3.0 cards) it's made by silverstone, however this card is not cheap (speed costs!!) but so far the card appears to be able to consistently do well over 5GBps and has approached 10GBps on some tests 

You are absolutely right about the HD/adapter. reading the description now i can see it supports non-bootable NVME via PCIe or a bootable SSD via the onboard SATA connection, i guess now i have an overpriced hard drive caddy that just sits on top of one PCI slot! 

does it matter what SATA port i plug it the incoming SSD ? or one of the the LSI ports at the bottom? i'd be more than happy if i get a >500MB/s bootable speed. 

i know i may probably annoy you guys by repeating this question, i just want to completely move on from this subject: there is no straightforward way to boot a Z800 from PCIe interface.  is that correct? 

thanks for the ebay links, the first one would work great for my purpose. i'll buy that if the other one i bought turned out to be useless (likely not stable enough having two hard drives spinning in it!)

by the way, any recommendation for a WIFi solution for Z800? ideally something that doesn't require three giant antenna sticking out the back! 

thanks guys

Can you please send me the link to DGroves recent post related to Z840 upgrade about the HP site that lets you download a HP W10 installer onto a thumb drive

What is the proper code you are responding to below?

"you need to provide your proper code for that box, and it has to be a box that is BIOS encoded as a MS licensed workstation rather than for Linux."

I bought this machine because i used one like it at work and it seemed to be bullet proof compared to consumer machines. I like that, so I want to do my best to make sure it stays bullet proof. Thank you

please "search" this forum on z800 nvme booting i've covered this subject several times the quick answer is no

the long answer is yes it can be done

and as SDH pointed out, paying the premium for a "AHCI" pci-e based SSD doesn't make sense unless you have money to burn

The HP on-line workstation configurator does'nt allow installing an NVidia RTX4000 graphic card together with Xeon E-2224G/E-2244G/E-2274G but I am not able to find such limtation in the C05987463 - DA 16215 - Worldwide - Version 18 January 15, 2020 Quick specs.

Have somebody used RTX4000+Z2 Tower together with one of the abovementioned processors?

Hello everyone,

Finally I think I discovered the real problem that was slowing down my HP Z840.

Like suggested, I took out all hardware that I had installed myself. I also disconnected the second SSD, and the four HDD’s that are inside the system and disconnected the ethernet switch.

I didn’t do a clean install yet because I wanted to try to get the cause on the current install.

After rebooting the system with only the SSD with the OS and a few Apps installed on it turned out that this was working normal. Everything was fast and snappy. I also could open the context menus in Sorenson Squeeze and Avid Media Composer without any problems. This wasn’t possible before.

Then I connected the second SSD again. This drive is still empty, so it didn’t cause any further problems to the system. Again, everything like it should be.

As third, I connected the four HDD’s (RAID5) again that are sitting in lower bays of the Z840. It’s going to be boring, but everything was still superfast and snappy. Wow!

The sweat started breaking out on me because this was meaning that Host Bus Adapter from my Avid Nitris DX or the Sonnet Allegro FW800 FireWire card was causing the slowness. Keep in mind that I bought this refurbished Z840 so that I still could use this Avid Nitris DX hardware accelerator and A/V connection box.

The HBA of the Nitris DX was added again in the prescribed PCIe slot. This is slot 5, that has been switched from generation 3 to 2 via a jumper on the motherboard. Restarted, and everything worked fine, first without the cable plugged in from the Nitris, and then also with the breakout box connected. Avid Media Composer recognized the Nitris. As test I runned an HD-SDI cable from the Nitris into a Blackmagic Design Ultrascope card inside my older Mac Pro 4.1. The Nitris can generate several test patterns and these where immediately to see and to measure on the scopes of the Blackmagic card. So, Nitris DX working like charm and without any problems!

Lastly I putted back the Sonnet FireWire card in slot 7. Unbelievable, but everything was still fast and fully working like such a system has to work.

How in heaven’s sake can this be possible? What could then be the issue that is breaking my nerves for the past weeks? Well, hold on because here it comes!

After plugging back in my TP-LINK switch the system slowed down again and became unworkable. The menus didn’t open anymore like before. One mouse click became two clicks again, and so on.

So, my first thought was that this switch wasn’t compatible with Windows 10 Pro. If I pulled out the ethernet cable everything started working fine again. This switch is connected to my system so that I can use my three Avid Artist panels. The Avid Artist Mix, transport and Color panel can only be connected via an ethernet cable. As even most advanced workstations only have 2 ethernet ports it is suggested to use a switch if you use more than two panels. These panels communicate via the EuControl protocol with the system and dedicated software applications. All my three panels have another IP addresses to avoid problems between them. The panels were all recognized by the EuControl software and worked, with delay, in Avid Pro Tools 11.3.2 and Avid Media Composer | Ultimate 2019.12. To see if the switch was the problem I quitted the EuCon software and suddenly everything got faster again. So, there the real devil came out of his box. It’s the EuControl software that is causing all this delay and slowness! When I restart EuCon it is not working. When I disable it, everything works like the best. I deleted the EuCon application (version 3.3.2) and installed a newer version (3.4) that was certified by Avid in their latest readme file for Media Composer 2019.12. This wasn’t working either. Even with the switch disconnected to the system it was already slowing down everything again. On the Avid Artist support page I even find more recent versions of this software (19.12.1), but I don’t know if this also can be used with the smaller panels that I have. I believe that this for the bigger S6 mixing consoles from Avid. So, now I first have to ask Avid what’s going on with this, and probably make a support case. They are still going to say that Windows 10 Pro 1909 isn’t approved yet, the processors in my system are not certified by them, and my amount of memory isn’t tested.

Could this issue be the one that is mentioned in the HP-document from early October 2014?

Any ideas how such a thing can happen? A small application that slows down a whole system?

Without doing a clean install so far, I now first going to install all the rest my software to see what happens how the system performs. When I have done that I will wipe everything clean and a fresh install of the system. I guess that is the best thing I can do. Any suggestions are still welcome!

Thank you all very much for you help, thoughts and precious time to help me figure out what was going on with my as good as new HP Z840!

Greetings!

Hello. On 14th January, I decided to finally use a Microsoft free upgrade to Windows 10 ... but oh boy, the problems with and after that! <sigh> Everything seemed to go well but after installation, when the computer restarted, as soon as it past the Win10 logo, the monitor (AOC v22) went completely black and I couldn't see a thing! I have absolutely no idea why and there's nothing wrong with the monitor (obviously it's still working since I re-installed Win7 Pro 64 bit) so my question is, is my desktop (product # WM520 ET) compatible with Win10 (ie is it capable of running it?) and, if so, any idea why I might have had such a display problem? Any help/advice/opihions very much appreciated.

Oh I forgot to mention the error message I got at the time was "Input not support" ... the fact it should be supported, we'll let slide. lol