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Re: T630 Imaging woes

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F9 works but, KingstonDataTraveller USB is not on the list of devices to boot from

 

When this process works correctly, the Same USB stick will boot and prompt me to decide if I really want to image the device.

 

Otherwise, I am stuck eternally booting into "User" - then I resort to the manual configuration that ThinUpdate was supposed to free me from doing.


Re: T630 Imaging woes

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Somebody else can try this but my testing shows the following.;

 

If I DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING with the T630 but power on with the USB image in place, it works as expected. 100%

 

If I power on and DO ANYTHING with the unit before trying the USB image, it FAILS EVERY TIME.

Example; went into BIOS to set Power On After Poere Loss. - unable to boot from usb

Example; powered on the unit and allowed it to boot to "User" desktop - unable to boot from USB

 

What this tells me is that if I need to change the image, I will have to manually reconfigure levery single one, because I won't be able to make Thinupdate work.

Re: T630 Imaging woes

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Update;

Further testing is interesting.

 

From the desktop of "User" on the offending T630, I updated  HP ThinUpdate to V2.50.

Now, I can select the DataTraveller as a boot device - ODD - It STILL does not boot automatically to USB.

And, I get to the Imaging Tool prompt. Only to be disappointed that my USB stick "Must Boot in UEFI Mode" and will not process the image.

 

sigh...

 

Re: Z420 USB 3.0 driver for Server 2012 R2 - Update

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I've NTLite before.  Great tool.  The only way I found to get RAID drivers into an OS that didn't included them during the install process.

Thanks much for the suggestion,

 

Re: HP zX20 BIOS v 3.92 > Successful roll back to v 3.91

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Bambi,

 

It is great to hear that you have made the breakthrough.  A question for you is down at the bottom.

 

For those who have not seen my Crisis Recovery Jumper post for the Z420/Z620/Z820 workstations it is HERE.

 

https://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Business-PCs-Workstations-and-Point-of-Sale-Systems/Crisis-Recovery-Jumper-Z620-Z420-Z820-Revealed/m-p/6658619/highlight/true#M21751

 

I believe the reason HP did not document it hardly at all is that one can get into trouble using that method, but we have used it as a last resort and it has saved some of us with corrupted BIOS installs.  It seems to have been engineered in for HP service reps to use, and that particular first black jumper (a picture is shown in my post above, and here below) is different from the lime green one Bambi has discovered.  That first jumper  seems to allow recovery from a corrupted BIOS install, but as Bambi found it only works if the BIOS does not have an encoded lock built in.  Almost all older verions of HP BIOS did not have that software lock.... some newer versions do, but HP usually has documented that new circumstance in the documentation available from the same page that one can download the SoftPaq BIOS installer from.  However, I don't see that information documented in the 3.92 BIOS Release Notes for the combined Z420/Z620 motherboards (they both use the exact same BIOS installer).

 

Now along comes the second undocumented BIOS related jumper that Bambi found..... my black one referenced above is in the interspace just above the bottom PCI slot.  This second one is lime green and is near the motherboard's bottom front corner adjacent to the main power supply's "P1" attachment to the motherboard.  It is above the front case cooling fan's 4-pin motherboard header.  Of interest two Z620s I just checked have that lime green jumper in place, but the Z420 here has the pins but no lime green jumper crossing them.  I checked on eBay for Z420 motherboards and a bunch of them are there with pictures and all have the lime green jumper in place.  Someone in the past must have removed the jumper from my Z420 and forgot to replace it.  This proves that lime green jumper is not critical to proper motherboard function.  I'm guessing that having it in place allows the encoded-in-BIOS lock to function, and removing the jumper disables that microcode software lock.  Or, maybe one needs to remove the lime green jumper before the black jumper tricks will work.  My Z420 was one that got its BIOS corrupted, and maybe the absence of the lime green jumper is why I was successful in finally getting that corruption fixed with a fresh BIOS load from a USB stick.  I don't remember the version, but it might have been 3.92 that got corrupted and I just got lucky having the green jumper missing from the past.

 

EDIT:  Added info... for the ZX20 family there is a "Password Jumper" you can find in the technical and service manual, and there is a section in there that describes "Resetting the password jumper".  In that section the jumper color is described as blue, but the motherboard diagrams show that password jumper to be exactly where Bambi's lime green jumper is.  There is no nearby alternative blue jumper, and the Password Jumper header is described as "E49" for all the ZX20 family.  E49 is printed in tiny letters on my Z420 and Z620 motherboards right at one edge of the lime green jumper's two pin header....   So, it would appear that jumper has more than one function, and is lime green rather than blue.

 

Two BIOS Jumpers.jpg

 

Here's the question for Bambi..... did you remove the lime green jumper and simply load back in the 3.91 BIOS the normal HP-documented way, or did you remove the lime green jumper and load the 3.91 BIOS using the Crisis Recovery Black Jumper way described in my post above?

 

It would be great if you were able to just downgrade from 3.92 to 3.91 BIOS the old fashioned way with the lime green jumper temporarily absent.  For me the safest way to update BIOS from within BIOS.  I truly believe that if everyone did it that way almost all of the BIOS corruption events, while already rare, would disappear.  My Z420 BIOS upgrade corruption happened when I took a shortcut and chose to upgrade BIOS from within a W10Pro64 install.  Never again....

 

And, I'll assume you put the lime green jumper back on.

Re: HP zX20 BIOS v 3.92 > Successful roll back to v 3.91

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SDH,

 

Thanks again for contributing the essential crisis recovery jumper technique to the revival of z620_2.

 

I think HP is somewhat careful in promoting a deeper level of experimentation by users, and anyway workstations are meant to be ultra-reliable and the user isn't supposed to need to get under the hood and fix it. Actually, z620_2 is the first workstation I've ever had to seriously repair- all other work involved varoious levels of upgrades.

 

However, with obsolete and out of warranty systems- my last HP warranty (z420_2 (E5-1660 v2) ended last February, over time may be increasingly subject to substantial upgrades /modification. As time progresses, there is an increasing need and potential benefit  that all the details of control and service functions become known. I suppose that's why we're here in this forum. I haven't seen anyone with a new Z6 asking questions.

 

By the way, here is the chaos when transferring the internals from z420_3 back to z620_2:

 

Transfer of z620_2 internals back from z420_3_6.23.18.jpg

 

There was no work surface large enough to do this other than the floor.

 

The Magic Green Jumper: As to the method of use, the green jumper does appear to be a key to a lock on a certain level of microcode reading. What I didn't mention in the previous post is that KelleyC in Support referred to a second "red" jumper that must have a similar function. "Try the green jumper and of that doesn't work, try the red one." The red jumper turned out to be in fact a black one just above the SATA ports. It seems logical that it would have a function in this realm as it is quite near the CMOS reset button- just to the left and slightly above:

 

Z620_2_jumper locations_6.26.18.jpg

 

That's the Z Turbo Drive in Slot 4.

 

Sorry for the poor image quality.

 

I couldn't comment on the "Mysterious Black Jumper" meaningfully.  As the green jumper was successful  I never tried the black one.

 

The use of the green jumper is simple: remove the green jumper, load the BIOS using the conventional method of the .EXE through Windows , and then replace the jumper which must be a protection against certain microcode writing. As was the use of the Crisis Recovery Jumper, the Magic Green Jumper method was very fast and almost depressingly easy after so many hours of uncertainty, expense, and effort over nearly three months. Of course, we all wish that the simple answer would appear in the first half hour!

 

I hope that MtothaJ, who has done microcode modifications to allow NVMe support will comment. 

 

BambiBoomZ

Re: T610 WIFI Adapter doesn't work after ThinPro 5.2 Update

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Hello JasonCC,

 

Thank you for the response.

 

As far I can find out the unit I have does not have the optional Broadcom 802.11 installed. However, it has Broadcom 
Ethernet adapter installed. I use the T610 unit LAN adapter to connect to a LAN using a static IP Address (192.168.1.202). However, I need a WiFi unit to gain access to my internet router. I use this configuration on a couple of PC's (Windows 10 and Windows 7) without problems.

I have tried to install a standard USB WiFi adapter on the T610 unit I have but the unit does not accept (or cannot) install the drivers for the USB WiFi adapter. Or is there a special procedure to install the WiFi adapter on the T610?

Do you have any USB WiFi adapters (and drivers) that you can recommend and that you know will work on the T610 I model I have.

 

For your reference I have below inserted photos of the dataplate, system info and device manager info.

 

Your help will be highly appreciated.

 

Best regards

Peter

OX3XR

T610 Data Plate1.JPGT610 Data Plate3.JPGT610 Data Plate2.JPGT610 Device Manager.JPGT610 system info.JPG

Re: HP Thin-Client T620 Win10 Write filter Error

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This issue cannot be reproduced. It may be related to hardware.


Re: 32GB RDIMM's in Z640 Workstation

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load reduced dimms should be used as per HP, if you try normal regestered dimms they may give random errors  or the system may not even boot due to the number of memory ranks in use

 

i recomend you read up on the diffrence between the two so you fully understand why LD dims are required when using 32GB dimms for proper operation on your system

 

but in a nut shell:

 

Memory buffers are used in LRDIMMs to reduce the electrical loads of the ranks to a single load. This allows up to eight ranks on a single DIMM module. Systems using LRDIMMs can be configured with the largest possible memory. The drawback is increased power usage and higher latencies versus lower capacity RDIMMs.

 

RDIMMs add a register, which buffers the address and command signals.The integrated memory controller in the CPU sees the register instead of addressing the memory chips directly. As a result, the number of ranks per channel is typically higher: the current Xeon E5 systems support up to eight ranks of RDIMMs. That is four dual ranked DIMMs per channel (but you only have three DIMM slots per channel) or two Quad Ranked DIMMs per channel. If you combine quad ranks with the largest memory chips, you get the largest DIMM capacities. For example, a quad rank DIMM with 4Gb chips is a 32GB DIMM (4 Gbit x 8 x 4 ranks). So in that case we can get up to 256GB: 4 channels x 2 DPC x 32GB

 

LRDIMMs can do even better. Load Reduced DIMMs replace the register with an Isolation Memory Buffer (iMB™ by Inphi) component. The iMB buffers the Command, Address, and data signals.The iMB isolates all electrical loading (including the data signals) of the memory chips on the (LR)DIMM from the host memory controller. Again, the host controllers sees only the iMB and not the individual memory chips. As a result you can fill all DIMM slots with quad ranked DIMMs. In reality this means that you get 50% to 100% more memory capacity.

Z800 Stuck on boot

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Hello!

 

Purchased a HP Z800 tower yesterday. Installed W10 and flashed the newest BIOS on it. Everything worked flawlessly until I noticed hyper threading was off. This is when I tried to access BIOS on boot but noticed none of my keyboards were usable. I tried to reset the BIOS with the on-board physical button, which worked, but the system prompted a series of error messages such as time, asking to confirm with "F1". 

 

I had to drive over to a friend to use his PS/2 keyboard to have control of the BIOS. Now I can control the BIOS, but all my boot drives are gone ("no bootable disk found"). I tried to reset default settings via BIOS, which is when I started having loss of signal issues. Now I need to remove AC to get the PC to display signal after boot.

 

When I get a signal, the following occurs:

 

POST -> RAID window -> LSI MegaCorp -> no boot disk, press a key

 

I tried to use another BIOS, but I'm unable to downgrade. Everytime I use DOS-Flash USB via BIOS I get "error flashing system rom". Only re-flashing the current 3.61 works without an issue.

 

What am I supposed to do? I'm very limited configuration-wise because I don't have a PS/2 keyboard, so every time I want to try something I have to do it elsewhere. Boot options are IDE / RAID+AHCI, tried both without success. I've tried to run with a single RAM stick but the lack of signal is still present. My GPU is GTX970, could that somehow be an issue?

 

Boot block date is of the newer one, running dual E5620.

 

 

Re: Z800 Stuck on boot

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first of all i would spend the  $12.00 on ebay for a ps2 keyboard, or buy a usb keyboard such as a logitech which will work

 

second i would download and read the z800 user and service manuals so i would have a basic understanding of what came with the z800 and how it's configured

 

third,  why do people think trying to flash a bios when they have absolutly no idea what's going on is a way to resolve it

when it actually will/does cause even more problems,.....stop doing things blindly it will only cause you more problems

 

fourth, the z800 has multiple onboard controllers SATA and SAS

 

both controllers require the correct  drivers , and knowing which controler is set as the main/boot drive along with the CD/DVD drive (if installed)

 

the most common setup is CD/DVD on SATA controller port 0 and boot drive on SATA port 1

 

however the drives can also be on the LSI SAS/SATA contoller ports 0 through 6 (see why reading the manual helps)

 

but the windows setup may not see the LSI controller, which is why the intel controller ports are recomended during setup. after win 10 is running you can move it over to the LSI ports

 

http://jp.ext.hp.com/lib/doc/manual/workstation/hp_workstation/504632_001.pdf

 

https://support.hp.com/us-en/product/hp-z800-workstation/3718645/manuals

 

https://support.hp.com/us-en/drivers/selfservice/hp-z800-workstation/3718645

 

windows 10 came out after the z800 chipset was released by intel, as such it will have all nessary drivers

the only driver that you might want to update/install is the Intel Rapid Storage Technology Utility and Driver for Microsoft Windows HP sp60733

 

if you get a no drives found on win 10 setup and it,s not on the LSI ports  follow the directions below to load the nessary driver during the windows setup:

 

extract the files from the SP using winZip/WinRAR/7-Zip

 

locate the DOS folder, place it on your usb key, install the key on a usb 2.0 port and reboot/restart the windows 10 setup  at the search for driver prompt, direct it  into the usb key\dos folder, and it should now find the drive

  

while hp lists it as a win 7 driver, this is due to hp not testing the win 10 os on a Z800

 

intel who makes the RSTe drivers has tested it on XP-win-10

 

last, the Z820 uses the Intel® C602 chipset,  ( similar to the x79 chipset)

and the  z800 uses the Intel® 5520 chipset  (similar to the x58 chipset)

T610, T620 end of life/sale/support dates

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Could someone tell me about end of life/sale/support dates for the follownig model thin Client:

HP T610

HP T620

 

Thanks

Unablt to boot from USB on Z400

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I am unable to boot my Z400 from USB.
This is the error i rcvd.(Picture attached.)

Non-System Disk Error or Disk Error 
replace and strike any key when ready.

(Even this bootable usb booting fine on my laptop and some other Desktop PC.)

error-high.jpg

 

Re: Unablt to boot from USB on Z400

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BIOS is a built in primative operating system for your hardware, and if needs to see the USB drive to work with it.  There are some format types with USB drives that may not be visible to your BIOS in the Z400 but would be visible to another type of BIOS in another PC.

 

However, a likely alternative is that your BIOS is set to disable boot from USB.  Do this:  F10 boot into BIOS, go over to the Storage tab, dow down to Boot Order, if you see USB Device Disabled arrow down next to that and use F5 to convert that to USB Device Enabled (can't remember the exact wording).  Then use F10 to accept that, Escape to back out to Save Changes and Exit, and then you need to use F10 one last time to save the changes and restart.

 

In BIOS my boot order usually is optical drive at top, the SSD under Hard Drive section next, and USB as third.  You can get a bit faster boot by moving the SSD to the top, above the optical drive in priority.  In such a case if the SSD is loaded with the OS you'd need to use at the early phase of a cold boot or a restart to force BIOS to use the USB as its boot device.

 

If USB as a boot device is disabled in BIOS you'll get that message.....  If the USB ports have been disabled in the BIOS Security section of BIOS you'll also get that message.  Some workstations have had the USB ports turned off for security purposes in BIOS but if that was the case no USB device would work in normal OS boot either.

Re: Z800 Stuck on boot

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Thanks for being straightforward!

 

I actually had a Z400 I played with for years before this,  I was never anywhere near bricking it so assumed I'd be safe on Z800 also.

 

Going through the manual everything makes more and more sense but why did you mention the C602 for Z820? How is that relevant here? Am I still missing something?

 

I'll start fixing the beast soon, still got to find that working keyboard. I did try two "old" USB KBs, one IBM and one Logitech. Also went on and bought a USB > PS/2 adapter without results. Ebay's delivery time up here north EU is 2 weeks and nobody sells true PS/2 KBs other than freaking expensive "gaming" equipment.


Upgrade Z820 with a second CPU

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Hi,

 

I have a Z820 with the following parts:

 

Motherboard:

System board (motherboard) assembly - Supports 2S/DDR3 1333 MHz memory (Patsberg) - For Windows 8 Professional

708610-601

  

CPU:

Intel Xeon Eight-Core E5-2640 v2 64-bit processor - 2.0 GHz (Ivy Bridge Romley-EP, 20MB Level-3 cache size, Intel QPI Speed 6.4 GT/s, 95 W TDP (Thermal Design Power), Socket 2011/LGA2011)

733617-001

 

Heat Sink:

636164-001

 

6x RAM:

Hynix 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3 PC3-14900 1866MHz

 

So my plan is to buy a second "Xeon Eight-Core E5-2640 v2 64-bit processor - 2.0 GHz" and double the RAM. 

 

I can't find a manual of the motherboard...

 

What do I have to consider?

BIOS setting? Jumper on Mainboard? Power supply Watt? 

 

Thanks for any information!

 

best regards,
Fredrik

Re: HP zX20 BIOS v 3.92 > Successful roll back to v 3.91

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Bambi..... good to know. 

 

Here is the warning from the latest Z400/Z600 3.61BIOS upgrade that HP should have had in the ReadMe document for the latest 3.92 BIOS for the Z620 (but we know how to get around that now):

 

"HOW TO USE: 
WARNING: After installing this BIOS version onto the system, prior BIOS versions cannot be installed onto the system."

 

 

 

I have an update on the Crisis Recovery Jumper process.  It turns out that HP had an early BIOS updater for the ZX40 family of workstations (such as the Z640) and that it bricked a number of systems with same symptoms we have seen in the ZX20 family rarely.  HP put out a customer advisory that describes proper use of the Crisis Recovery Jumper, also known as the "Boot Block Recovery Jumper",  HERE.

 

https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c05163478

 

I've described how to locate the .bin file of the BIOS you want to install/downgrade to in the forum here.... it is inside the DOS folder that gets created inside the SoftPaq folder inside the SWSetup folder on the root level of the C drive when you run the SoftPaq and cancel the process after you get barely into the process.  That SWSetup directory stays on  C drive available to harvest the .bin file from.

 

Here's the path:

 

Path to the .bin file.jpg

 

 

 

Re: Crisis Recovery Jumper Z620 Z420 Z820 Revealed

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I have edited the main top post again due to having found an official HP description on how to do the process, based on an issue they had with the ZX40 workstation family.

 

Here is the link to the customer advisory:

 

https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c05163478

 

 

Re: Upgrade Z820 with a second CPU

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you might want to try google using keywords "HP z820 service manual"

 

also, the z820 has two diffrent heatsinks the stock one for low power cpu's and the optional 130 watt cooler for the high performance cpu's  since your cpu is 95 watt either will do, but if possible look for the 133 watt one

 

also the cooling shroud has a space for the second cpu cooling fan. if your shroud lacks this look at the sec link

 

the case also has a slot for a second cooling fan

 

 

https://www.ebay.com/p/HP-Z820-Workstation-Processor-Heatsink-Assembly-636164-001-SELLER/2255976983

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Heatsink-749598-001-and-CPU-FAN-647113-001-fit-FOR-HP-Z820-WORKSTATION/173364555754?epid=26020389053&hash=item285d552fea:g:LjMAAOSwhElbIiYf

SERVER QUESTION

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Per the images below, I have two questions.  Can some one tell me what raid system/array I have set up on this server. The server has three 8 gig hard drives. I want to make sure the primary drive is being constantly mirrored and if it fails, the mirrored drive with immediately take over.  The other question I have is that I constantly have to go into configuration set up every time the system is turned on to set up the clock, etc.  Does this mean that the CMOS battery needs to be replaced on the mother board and if so, where is it and what is the replacement battery. Thankspict 1.jpgpict 2.jpg 

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