JoeF6,

The answer depends on the definition of "powerful":

Computational, Data Functions, CPU rendering, Premiere:  If the goal is to have the highest number of clock cycles per unit time, according to Passmark baselines of 580 systems tested, the choice  is  the Xeon E5-2690 v3 12core @ 2.6 / 3.5GHz, having a Passmark CPU = 19884.  The average Single Thread Mark for the E5-2690 v3 is 1,839. 

3D Modeling, Photoshop: If the goal is to have the highest single thread performance, according to Passmark baselines of 580 systems tested, the choice  is  the Xeon E5-1650 v3 6-core @ 3.5 / 4.7GHz, having a Passmark CPU = 16832.  The average Single Thread Mark for the E5-1650 v3 is 2,126.  The E5-1650 v3 is one of very few Xeons that may be overclocked using the (free) Intel Extreme Tuning Utility (XTU).  My assumption is that the E5-1650 v3 , stock at 3.5 / 3.8 running at 4.7GHz Turbo would require liquid cooling. As the average CPU=  10,373, (that is, CPU of 10,373 = STM of 2,176) extrapolating running at 4.7GHz would produce an STM = ~2,800. It is interesting that of 580, z440's tested, there is only one E5-1650 v3 shown as overclocked.

Good Core Count  + Good Single Thread:  Xeon E5-1680 v3 (8-core @ 3.3 .3.8GHz) average CPU= 13,080 / STM = 2,082. Highest CPU in z440 = 17399, which calculates very approximately to an STM = ~2,300.

As the system already has a E5-1650 v3, consider trying the overclocking before changing. However, as mentioned, 4.7GHz suggests a special cooling solution, perhaps even a custom open loop as out Forum friend Brian1965 uses in a z620. Both office systems here overclock Xeon E5-1650 v2 and Xeon E5-1680 v2 in z420 V2 and z620 V2 using the AIO z420 liquid cooler:

z420 Liquid cooler in z620:

BambiBoomZ

HP z620_2 (2017) (R7) > Xeon E5-1680 v2 (8C@ 4.3GHz) / z420 Liquid Cooling / 64GB (HP/Samsung 8X 8GB DDR3-1866 ECC registered) / Quadro P2000 5GB _ GTX 1070 Ti 8GB / HP Z Turbo Drive M.2 256GB AHCI + Samsung 970 EVO M.2 NVMe 500GB + HGST 7K6000 4TB + HP/HGST Enterprise 6TB / Focusrite Scarlett 2i4 sound interface + 2X Mackie MR824 / 825W PSU / Windows 7 Prof.’l 64-bit (HP OEM) > 2X Dell Ultrasharp U2715H (2560 X 1440)

[ Passmark Rating = 6280 / CPU rating = 17178 / 2D = 819 / 3D= 12629 / Mem = 3002 / Disk = 13751 / Single Thread Mark = 2368 [10.23.18]

HP z420_3: (2015) (R11) Xeon E5-1650 v2 (6C@ 4.3GHz) / z420 Liquid cooling / 32GB (HP/Samsung 4X 8GB DDR3-1866 ECC registered) / NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 6GB/ Samsung 860 EVO 500GB + HGST 4TB / ASUS Essence STX + Logitech z2300 2.1 / 600W PSU > Windows 7 Professional 64-bit (HP OEM ) > Samsung 40" 4K

[Passmark System Rating: = 5644 / CPU = 15293 / 2D = 847 / 3D = 10953 / Mem = 2997 Disk = 4858 /Single Thread Mark = 2384 [6.27.19]

Decode7,

As far as I know, there are no Xeons made for dual processor use that may overclocked. In Xeon LGA1366, the W-series are single processors and the X-series are dual processors.

However, the Xeon LGa1366 W-series may be overslocked. on Passmark baselines in HP z400, there is a Xeon W3680 6-core listed as running at 4.3Ghz and 4.2Ghz, W-3690 @ 4.2Ghz and 4.1GHz,and  4.0GHz. A single W-36XX series Processor would run in a z600, but do not know if it could be overclocked. My guess is that it could not be overclocked in z600.

I hope others will comment if this is incorrect information.

Consider running the free trial of Passmark Performance Test to compare your system to the other 1,173 z600's tested. The comparison will show which components produce the best performance in each category.

BambiBoomZ

I need to raise this as an issue which, after a wasted day of my time, I managed to resolve.

Environment: Windows 10 Professional 64-bit. 

A couple of days ago, I realised that my Outlook 365 wasn't connecting to the Office 365 server.  Then I noticed other issues like:
- Start button wasn't working

- Could not type into the search box

- My printer (HP) disappeared from available print options

- Could not add another user account to my PC

Having eliminated some of the obvious possibilities:

- Virus scan check found nothing

- Wasn't a router problem because other devices were working ok

- Could access the internet ok

- re-installed Windows

I suddenly vaguely recalled seeing something about a HP Sure Click update being installed so (in an act of desperation), I uninstalled Sure Click.

Everything works fine now.

I need to be sure that HP do not install anything else on my PC until it has been properly tested.   My productivity has been zero for the last day while trying to fix this.

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Everything works fine now.

 

I need to be sure that HP do not install anything else on my PC until it has been properly tested.   My productivity has been zero for the last day while trying to fix this.

 

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Hello.
I hope everyone is well.
I am looking for a HP THUNDERBOLT-2  F3F43AT / 753732-001 card with the HP 751364-001 Internal header cable.

The header cable is specific to the Z230 Workstation..

Here's an example of the card with a header cable for the Zx40 models from ebay.

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/HP-THUNDERBOLT-2-753732-001-I-O-Card-With-Cable-751366-001-751365-001/192918445852?_trkparms=aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160323102634%26meid%3D457861414f4d46c7a9374e6ff3592cfe%26pid%3D100623%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D5%26sd%3D192918461555%26itm%3D192918445852%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DDefaultOrganic%26brand%3DHP&_trksid=p2047675.c100623.m-1

Can anyone help me?

Ive read the following;

https://support.hp.com/au-en/document/c04283970

https://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Business-PCs-Workstations-and-Point-of-Sale-Systems/HP-Thunderbolt-2-PCIe-1-port-I-O-Card-F3F43AT-Windows-10/td-p/6616095

https://usermanual.wiki/Hp/HpThunderbolt2Pcie1PortIOCardSetupAndInstall139979.2056029670.pdf

https://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Business-PCs-Workstations-and-Point-of-Sale-Systems/Hp-z820-Thunderbolt-2-Card-Installation/td-p/7480603

I'm wanting to add Thunderbolt to connect to an Audio Interface due to it's better round trip latency than USB.

I don't care about daisy chaining to a monitor.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Many Thanks,
Ken.

Danoxman,

A search on Passmark baselines shows that of 1,174 HP z600's tested, none use a Xeon W36XX series CPU.

BambiBoomZ

Here's another link that references the card.

https://store.hp.com/UKStore/Merch/Product.aspx?id=F3F43AA&opt=&sel=DEF

Many thanks (hopefully) in advance.

Ken.

Do not install. If installed, monitor your system

Broke my HP Elitebook 840 G3. Keyboard mouse misbehaving, keyboard eventually died. Talked on chat with HP, they say keyboard needs to be replaced and billable since its out of warranty. 

I attempted system restore, image recovery, fresh install. Problem persists. Also unuseable in bios. Windows defender in depth offline and full scans were clean. 

Talking on phone support, trying to resolve with soft troubleshooting, otherwise they want to charge. Just feels very unfair to first have an update forced on my system, which breaks my machine down to the core and then charge me to have it fixed. That's holding someone for ransom. 

I know for sure its that update which did this because that was the the only update installed and demanded reboot. The system was perfectly fine up until then. Broke after the reboot when the update took effect. Will most likely go public and legal if HP doesn't resolve this at no charge one way or another

You want to find a very late Z600 QuickSpecs and look at the fastest processor supported by HP for that workstation.  My recall is that it was the X5690, one or two of them, but only if they had the 130W max TDP rare and expensive HP heatsink/fan atop them.  Many if not most of the Z400 had a single 130W rated heatsink/fan in them, but that is bigger and will not reliably fit in the smaller Z600 case.... I tried without modifying that Z400 one.

The X5690 is a dual QPI link processor but its sibling the W3690 has only one QPI link.  If you wanted to try one W3690 you might try an experiment.  With a Vice Grips couldyou pinch flat the upwards progecting heat tubes that rise above the top surface of the Z400 130W Performace heatsink and fold them down flat to give you just enough room?  I never tried that... stuck with the fastest 70W max TDP Mainstream heatsink/fan.  The official HP Performance heatsink/fan for the Z600 are very hard to find.

We're still using a few Z600 v2 with 2xX5675 70W processors and with a nice fast SSD for both boot/programs and a second as a documents drive that is still a very servicable workstation.  Building new today I like the Z420 Z620 v2 workstations better, however.

FYI,.......both HP and Dell use the same Intel Reference TBolt 2 card, however i suspect each company may use a different pinout on the motherboard dell may have published the motherboard TBolt 2 pinout so check them for a cable and board pinout

the pin connections on the TBolt 2 card remains the same between Dell/HP, only the motherboard pinout may be different

as long as you get the power and ground lines correct, using a multimeter, you can then by trial and error determine the other 3 lines

dell# GGTXK  is the Display port wrap thru cable

NK4P3 is the GPIO cable to the motherboard.

07HMHP is the Dell TBolt 2 card  part number

BambiBoomZ,

Not to hijack the thread, but would the 600W PSU in the Z420 have enough power to drive the RTX 3070 when combined with the Xeon E5-1650 v2? I ask as I have a 1070 Ti currently combined with that CPU and it seems to struggle driving both under heavy workloads -- would the 700W power supply from a Z440 potentially work in a Z420 perhaps?

Hello,

I have a HP Z420 Workstation (v2 with the Ivy Bridge boot block) with a Xeon 1650 v2 CPU, 48 GB RAM, GTX 1070 Ti, BIOS 03.96 running Windows 10 Pro build 19041.450 in UEFI mode and have noticed that when the processor is under any sort of load, the CPU fans are not ramping up to compensate whatsoever which causes uncomfortably/dangerously hot temperatures at the CPU's cores or overall package (89*C+, where the CPU has a Tcase rating of 70*C and Tjmax cut off at 95*C). I've ensured that the heatsink and fans are all free of dust and debris, and recently installed the missing front fan into the bottom of the chassis as well to improve airflow throughout the chassis.

This behavior can be observed by running HP Performance Advisor and refreshing the sensors while running a stress test such as Prime95, AIDA64 Stability Test, etc. You would expect to see the fan speeds increase, however they just remain where they are -- the fan speeds can be increased only across the entire system by cranking up the Idle Fan Speed under Thermal in the BIOS, however after the half way mark this becomes unbearably loud. I've ensured that the ambient temperature sensor in the front of the case is functional and it registers correctly.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to what may be causing this? I have seen some previous reports that this was related to Intel's MEI and AMT which I re-enabled to no avail, and wanted to check with the community before I pull the machine out to do a CMOS reset, flash back through BIOS revisions, etc.

Thanks! 🙂

For what it's worth, Im currently using Intel XTU 6.5.1.321 with a Xeon 1650 v2, Windows 10 v2004 (19041.450) and was able to successfully get the CPU to hit 4.3 GHz on all 6 cores by setting the values to 43x in XTU and observed the clock speeds in HWMonitor; also able to use ThrottleStop to allow it to step back down to lower clocks on idle to save on power/heat.

Rtibby, could you kindly post a screenshot of your XTU settings where you've raised the voltage in mV? XTU will not allow me to set a value that low, showing the first step of the Additional Turbo Voltage slider as 3.90625V.

Thanks DGroves.

The Z230 has only 2 header pins on the motherboard. The other models have more and seem, by the look of the cables to have some jumping going on.

I'm an electronics novice at best.

I wonder does anyone knows if the 2 header pins on the Z230 motherboard are power & ground?

I really appreciate you taking the time to reply DGroves.

Photo of motherboard headers attached.

not having this system i obviously will be making a educated guess,

looking at this document

1. small form factor models – the port is near the edge of the board
2. Tower models – the port is between slots 3 and 4

http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c04293195

note the z230 illustration, it shows the 2 wires from the motherboard board connector labeled E102 go to the pins on the edge of the card this narrows down the possible connections as it will be only 2 pins so the question is which pin on the board to which pin on the card (only 2 ways to connect so you have a 50/50 chance to get it right the first time)  also does the header short any pins? i would guess it does not 

i suspect the 2 wires are sync signals or sync/ground if one is a ground, this can be confirmed using a multimeter simply touch one pin on the e102  to a known system ground and if it has continuity it;s a ground connection 

Is it confirmed that the x5690 work with the 130w cooler on Z600v2? I have found the cooler, sure its expensive, but its cheaper than getting another computer though.

But i think i will take the x3675, less hassle and way smaller total cost.

I will add an raid card with sata3, saw a post here with what i could use.

Kamzeride,

The recommended power supply for the RTX 3070 is 650W, whereas the z420 has a 600W power supply.  While there are not yet any reviews and tests of the RTX3070, in my view, using it is high risk.  HP power supplies are somewhat conservatively rated- the GPU 6-pin connectors and probably the PCIe slots will deliver more than specified.  Also, the total power requirements of the system- the CPU requirement and total load of components, plus most importantly, the use mean that use in the z420 is possible but, in my view, too close to the edge of usability.  If there is ever a chance the system is used ,for example hybrid ray-tracing rendering that runs the CPU and GPU at 100% sustained loads, that appears to be high risk.   

That said, reviewing the z420 and z440 chassis side by side:

> suggest that they are extremely similar if not identical internally.  Even small components on the motherboard appear to have the identical placement as is the cable configuration. As the Xeon E5-16XX v2, v3, and v4 are LGA2011 with similar power requirements, the z440 may well work.

I hope that others here will comment, perhaps our Forum friend SDH who has a much wider generational experience with HP than I.  SDH brought our attention to the superior CPU cooling of the z440 and the manner in which that may be adapted to earlier generations.

I would suggest being patient before ordering; wait a bit for a good number of in-depth reviews including workstation uses, plus some product sorting time, although NVIDIA does appear to have their drivers organized early on.  

It's probable quite a number of z420 and other obsolete z-series generations users will be interested in the RTX 3070. My next GPU is likely to be the successor to the Quadro RTX 4000 so as to have 4K,10-bit color, but "better than RTX 2080 Ti performance" for only $500 is extremely tempting. But, in which parameters is it also true?

If the pattern of RTX to Quadro basis holds, the RTX 4000- which is  related to the RTX 2070, may mean the Ampere Quadro RTX 8GB will be similar to the RTX 3070.

OS: There will be some good bargains on used RTX: I noticed that yesterday, Sept. 4, there were dozens of RTX 20XX series GPU's removed from Ebahh sales- "lost or no longer available" and a couple were sold for near $500 as bidding collapsed.  I see that GTX 1080 Ti's are selling in the low $400's- also tempting. z420_3 might have a blower version one of those instead of inheriting the z620_2 GTX 1070 Ti (MSI Aero).

BambiBoomZ

Not really sure what you are trying to say.

I didn't say that HP Sure Click was trying to install other software.  What I am saying is the the latest update to HP Sure Click caused all those problems listed.

Given that all these problems disappeared when uninstalling HP Sure Click, my conclusion is, undeniably,

I understand now - you were not really asking for help.

You determined the Sure Click browser protection software was causing issues and removed it.

Comment and solution in one post.

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"I need to be sure that HP do not install anything else on my PC until it has been properly tested.   My productivity has been zero for the last day while trying to fix this."

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